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Do you ever get that syncing feeling? A chat with actor, musician and 'sync master' Andras Jones

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Andras Jones talks to Red Dirt Report's Andrew W. Griffin about synchronicity and more.
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OKLAHOMA CITY – Movie and television actor, musician, radio host and sync master Andras Jones is clearly a man of many talents. Creativity flows through this 45-year-old’s veins and that was clearly evident during a relaxed and fascinating conversation with Jones on a recent autumn afternoon.

Having recently contributed to the Alan Abbadessa-Green-edited Sync Book, which led to the publication of his first book, Accidental Initiations: The Kabbalistic Tree of Olympia (Sync Book Press), Jones was actually in central Oklahoma this week primarily participating in a fan event surrounding his role as Rick Johnson in the 1988 hit horror film A Nightmare on Elm Street: The Dream Master, the fourth in that series.

“I’ve been noshing at the wisdom buffet for as long as I can remember,” Jones writes in the fascinating Accidental Initiations. He sounds like our kind of guy!

And through a friend who embraces synchronicity and synchromysticism in a serious way, as we do on the “Dust Devil Dreams” section of RDR, we heard that Olympia, Wash.-based Jones – host of Radio8Ball and a musician with the Washington state indie-rock band The Previous – would be able to pay Red Dirt Report a visit and talk sync – a favorite topic of ours.

“Sync, being the true nature of reality and the true nature of consciousness,” Jones said.

And while he is appreciative of the notoriety he has received over the years via his connection with the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise, Jones sees a bigger picture that isn’t always visible to the naked eye.

“I accept these weird gigs because I think synchronistically there must be something for me to do there that doesn’t have to do with me being at a Nightmare on Elm Street thing,” Jones said.

And it is interesting to hear Jones say how those aware of the importance of synchronicity and those into late-1980’s horror films rarely overlap. At these meet-the-actor gigs, Jones said he takes the opportunity to fit sync in and, if it’s just him and not the full Nightmare cast, he often asks the audience if they are aware of synchronicity. For the Oklahoma City area audience, it was clear sync was not foremost on their mind.

“Not one hand went up,” says Jones after saying he asked the OKC crowd if they were familiar with synchronicity. “It blows my mind. Jung came up with this almost 100 years ago.”

Still, he will try to “swerve” the conversation into something interesting and that, of course, involves synchronicity. For instance, he noted Will Morgan’s video about synchronicities in the Nightmare on Elm Street: The Dream Master film Jones appeared in or weird synchronicities Jones experienced during his visit in Oklahoma City. And with Radio8Ball, Jones will have people ask a question to “The Pop Oracle,” pick a random song and listen to it and then think about and/or discuss the answer one receives.

While in Oklahoma for his Nightmare discussion gig, Jones said he had a “crazy sync.”

In The Sync Book (which we reviewed here), Jones makes a fascinating statement regarding sync: “Synchronicity may be an untapped energy source.”

Along these lines, Jones notes the idea of time travel and how synchronicity and time travel have a commonality. And while Jones is an artist and not a scientist, he feels that people in the future may be able to dig into this a bit more deeply.

“Synchronicity taps into the timelessness of any moment,” Jones tells Red Dirt Report. “It opens up any moment in a huge way.”

Added Jones: “If you could crack sync, it would be the thing that would power time machines in the future. You would have to be able to access time from one moment.”

Talking about his film career and sync, Jones said he has tried pitching a sync-focused show around Hollywood and usually gets the response that “oh, sync is pretty esoteric.”

This response from Hollywood baffles Jones, considering the fact that so many other unusual topics are embraced these days. And besides, synchronicity has been a part of pop culture at least for the past three decades, thanks to rock singer Sting’s former band.

“The Police had a huge record called Synchronicity and people don’t know what this word is?” Jones asks in mock outrage.

At that point in the interview, Jones notes a CD copy of Synchronicity near the office stereo. With a knowing smile and chuckle Jones admits he saw it there when he came in for the interview. We should note that that well-known 1983 rock album, featuring songs like “Every Breath You Take,” “King of Pain” and “Wrapped Around Your Finger,” was the first time this reporter – at age 11 – had ever heard the word “synchronicity.”

While in Oklahoma for his Nightmare discussion gig, Jones said he had a “crazy sync” involving the Oklahoma-set film from 1996 – Twister.

While in the Guthrie area, for the “Zombie Run,” one of his hosts, who is into the occult and “chasing tornadoes,” drove him by Guthrie’s Beacon Drive-In, which is called the Galaxy Drive-In in the film, starring Bill Paxton and Laura Dern.

“She said, ‘so this is from the movie Twister.’ I say, ‘Well, okay, that’s interesting,’” Jones recalls. “And then I go home (to my hotel room) and then I wake up the next morning, turn on the TV and it’s the opening tracking shot over a wheat field. And I think, ‘this is the beginning of Twister. I think, well, that’s really weird. So I’m watching Twister and I’m syncing with it, I was in acting class with Bill Paxton back in ’87. We both had bands, we were both actors and I was just starting out and he was just breaking through.”

Continuing, Jones gets to the major sync of the Oklahoma visit: “So, I’m watching the movie and thinking ‘there’s gonna be some crazy sync here.’ It comes back from a commercial break and they’re at the Galaxy Theater and I’m watching The Shining. Why did the movie just switch to The Shining, this is super weird, with Danny driving and he sees the girls … and I think, wait a second, they show The Shining on the movie theater screen in Twister?”

For a sync master, particularly one who had recently recorded an interview with Room 237 director Rodney Ascher for Red Ice Radio's Radio 3Fourteen, the sync with Stanley Kubrick’s 1980 sync-y cult classic The Shining was a major one.

Jones continues: “And as the thing (tornado) takes off, Jack (Torrance) is bashing the door … I thought I was hallucinating. I’ve got The Shining on the brain …”

And while Jones is puzzled by Hollywood’s seeming aversion to synchronicity and sync themes, he does point to the recent Room 237 documentary (reviewed here) about theories regarding the true messages in The Shining.

Referring to a recent Radio 3Fourteen interview, Jones says that “Room 237 is a huge step forward for sync work, even though they don’t really mention sync in it, it’s like this hook …”

He also references The Shining Code 2.0, a film, that if anything, shows a growing hunger in people seeking to fully understand Kubrick’s art and message (is it Kubrick’s confession that he helped NASA fake the Apollo Moon mission?). This, Jones indicates, is starting to spread in other areas of film and pop culture.

And Jones thinks there is sync in all of Kubrick’s films and that the late director won’t get the credit he deserves for pulling off the lunar landing. This theory is also noted by researcher Jay Weidner in Kubrick's Odyssey.

Still, Jones says Kubrick may be pulling a “Paul Is Dead” maneuver where “if everyone thinks I pulled off the lunar landing, what would it be like if I had,' making a film (The Shining) where he’s messing with the conspiracy theorists and we’re all falling into the trap.”


Jones himself is linked to a notable sync in his own life as an actor. While talking sync, he notes that the actor Viggo Mortensen was just another Aryan-looking guy getting a bit typecast when he helped him out by getting him an agent. This ultimately led to the immensely talented Danish-American actor to securing an ongoning cinematic connection with director David Cronenberg resulting in films like A History of Violence, Eastern Promises and the incredibly sync-y (for me) A Dangerous Method, where Mortensen plays Sigmund Freud, opposite Michael Fassbender as Swiss psychologist Carl Jung.

In the 2011 Cronenberg film, also starring Keira Knightley, Jung and Freud are at odds because Freud wants to keep his analysis firmly planted in what he views as “reality,” while Jung sees beyond that, ultimately discovering what is called synchronicity.

“I feel doubly responsible for Lord of the Rings because Nightmare on Elm Street (for New Line Cinema) helped fund it and I got Viggo Mortensen his agent,” Jones said, explaining they had worked on a film (1990's Tripwire) together and Mortensen did not have an agent. That changed when Jones intervened and a woman at Jones’ agency later became Mortensen’s manager.

Jones said the Mortensen/Cronenberg actor/director connection will be seen in the future as the equivalent of Martin Scorcese and Robert DeNiro or John Ford and John Wayne.

Back to the so-called “real” world, Jones talks about the 9/11 terror attacks and his questions about it. He said even now, when so many questions have been raised by serious people about what really happened that day, people get offended when he raises questions about, say, Building 7. He says that after 9/11 people in America got more jingoistic and stupid. And along with that a stubborn desire to not listen to alternative points of view.

“Cognitive dissonance is the nature of the American consciousness,” Jones said.

And regarding sync work, Jones contends that just as in The Shining Code 2.0, there is much we will never fully see or understand, and that’s all right.

After all, as Jones talks about Accidental Initiations and his hometown Olympia, there are small-minded people - "boring haters" - there who sought to censor his Radio8Ball work on KAOS 89.3 and vilify the man himself for the sync-y way he approaches life.

Plus, Olympia is in Jones’s blood, despite the haters.

“I stay in Olympia because this is where the Tree is, where my ghosts are, where the air makes sense to my snout, and where, I will someday be an elder,” writes Jones.

In the meantime, Jones continues down his sync path and sharing the joy and wonder it brings to his life.

“Once you’re aware of sync,” Jones said. “That’s the nature of existence. It’s unavoidable.”

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