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"Mobocracy OKC?" - Kerr Park occupants crippled by infighting, cliquish behavior

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A member of AFGE Local 916 participates in an Occupy OKC protest march.

By Andrew W. Griffin

Red Dirt Report, editor

Posted: October 24, 2011

reddirtreporter@gmail.com

*OKLAHOMA CITY – As we rapidly approach the month anniversary of the Occupy OKC movement moving into Kerr Park in downtown Oklahoma City, there is evidence that the small group of true believers are being split apart by egos and infighting.

In the past week, Red Dirt Report has stopped by Kerr Park, talking to Occupants and trying to get a sense of how things are going. It's still largely unclear, but one thing is for certain - it is not the strong and seemingly unified organization it was on the day it was launched and that has been confirmed by people we have spoken to in recent days.

Red Dirt Report sat down with an Oklahoma City man – we will call him “Dan” – who wanted to share his thoughts on Occupy OKC, the local offshoot of the burgeoning Occupy Wall Street organization that started in September in New York City.

Dan said that as a working-class man who considers himself a “libertarian/conservative,” he was interested and initially sympathetic to Occupy OKC after reading a story about it linked at the popular Infowars.com website.

“I was really curious at first,” admitted Dan. “I wanted to see if they would really accept everybody.”

And initially he sensed that. Just a working-class guy who wasn’t banging on bongo drums or sporting obvious tattoos, Dan was just happy that a real grassroots movement for change was forming, particularly in the waning months since the Tea Party peaked.

Dan said his views, that America can be great again and that true capitalism works, are shared by most people he knows. But in trying to talk to people involved with Occupy OKC he was soon struck by the fact that many of those gathered in Kerr Park were “living in a dream world.”

“They don’t live in reality,” Dan told Red Dirt Report. “They expect a utopian society.”

Dan explained the idea of Occupy OKC’s “direct democracy” approach of “consensus” when trying to vote on an issue. As he explained it, multiple votes are taken on an issue. If there is 60 percent of voters supporting something, another vote is called and it has to be 70 percent or better – and so forth, until the group reached 90 percent consensus.

“That way, no one is upset or left out,” he said. “When you see them holding signs saying ‘This is what democracy looks like,’ their idea of democracy is nothing what you and I believe democracy is – 51 percent or better.”

Asked if he thought the Occupy movement, and specifically the Oklahoma City contingent, were accepting of all comers, Dan shook his head.

“If you don’t conform to their view, they will ostracize you,” Dan said, suggesting that the movement was becoming borderline doctrinaire in their beliefs and approach.

And what of Occupy OKC’s message and dealings with the media?

It has been mixed, he said. He noted that several Occupiers have been suspicious of News 9, for instance, one person noting that the Oklahoma City TV station wasn’t to be trusted.

At the same time, Dan said he understood the frustration with the media and the public in that Occupy OKC has failed to offer a concise, coherent message several weeks into their occupation of Kerr Park. He noted that he offered to give them a “mission statement,” after reviewing mission statements from other Occupy groups around the U.S.

Dan said it was ignored and rejected.

“I think it was because it didn’t come from a moderator,” he said, noting that many of the “moderators” with Occupy OKC are on an ego trip.

At the same time, he agreed that the local media has done a poor job of relaying to readers and viewers what the real concerns are of many people supportive or active in the Occupy movements around the nation and the world.

“I don’t think they want it to get any bigger than it already is,” Dan said, regarding the local media coverage.  

And what of Occupy OKC dragging out the purpose of its formation?

Dan said taking their time is a “strategy to build support” and that’s fine, in his opinion, but knowing the public and the media, they will get tired of them, viewing them as a bunch of communist-leaning brats who refuse to work.

“Whether it’s deliberate or not, they’re keeping (Occupy OKC) small so the consensus is easier to control,” Dan said.

He points to the large group of local union members that first joined Occupy OKC after its inception. But, from what he gathered, the Occupy OKC “inner circle” felt threatened by the local union members with AFGE (American Federation of Government Employees) Local 916 coming in.

“The union people were seen as too divisive,” Dan said. “They were afraid they would take over the movement.”

When it was clear the union folks weren’t wanted, he said, the numbers dwindled significantly after the first week.

Had the union folks been included, Dan said Occupy OKC “could have gotten a real sense of what Oklahoma City was really like.”

Dan then points to a more extreme example of what Occupy OKC has devolved into. Dan forwarded me a message from a man named Daniel who felt wronged by the Occupy OKC “leadership” and wrote that “You have invited many of us to a democratic process that has repeatedly been undemocratic and has descended into a mobocracy – a tyranny of a minority over a mob.” Added Daniel: “You have allowed the continual disregard of basic standards of civility in any democratic society.”

Dan shakes his head while we talk. It’s becoming clear, at the rate things are going, that Occupy OKC is doomed to failure. Other folks with more moderate beliefs and approaches have fled as personalities have clashed and certain ideas have been given more credence over others, regardless of ‘consensus.’

And back to the letter written by Daniel to the Occupy OKC leadership: “You have many good ideas. I agree with the aims of the movement as a whole. I support the cooler and more mature minds in your midst who have tried continually, selflessly, and without avail to assit and support you in a transition from a clique to a democratic movement.”

And that, it should be noted, reemphasizes Dan’s observations on Occupy OKC in its current form. He said the bickering is taking a toll. And then there is the issue of one Occupy OKC guy who runs the OccupyOKC.com website who is said to work for Chesapeake Energy and how some in the movement have a problem with that. Dan even noted that the website is running off Chesapeake’s server. We have called Chesapeake to confirm if that is in fact the case and are awaiting a reply.

As for folks within the Occupy OKC organization, Red Dirt Report was unable, late Monday afternoon, to get a comment from them for this story.

Quoting former U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat, Dan said, “He put it very well. He said ‘What this is about is that three years ago, Wall Street, with the help of the federal government, crashed Wall Street and nobody paid for it. The big banks all got bailed out, while Main Street foots the bill.’ It’s a legitimate grievance.”

A RawStory.com interview with one of the leading Occupy Wall Street activists, Phil Arnone, revealed that the Occupy movement may not have a specific goal or soundbite for the media, that’s because “(W)e want to change the ways that our society is structured and run so that way, the vast majority of people – the 99% - have their interest accounted for, their voices heard, their needs represented. And that’s just simply not the way we feel our society works now. It’s a society run for and by the 1%.”

Dan agrees with a lot of that, although he adds that he is a “Ron Paul follower” and that the U.S. Constitution is the best thing going.

“We need to get back to those (constitutional) roots,” he said.

*(UPDATE: Oct. 24, 2011 7:16 p.m. - Michael Kehs with Chesapeake Energy informed Red Dirt Report this evening that the server in question was not connected to Chesapeake, rather it was based in Houston, Texas. As for the person alleged to be working for Chesapeake, Kehs suggested it could be a pseudonym.)

** (UPDATE: Oct. 26, 2011 6:27 p.m.)  At the request of one of the commenters, there is a "Petition for Redress of Community Grievances and Demand for Apology from: Occupy OKC"

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Simon Oct 26, 2011
FYI: You have a choice when signing the petition to display or not display your signature, and whether or not to say why you're signing. If you display your signature (and thanks if you do) that displays *only* your name and city (it doesn't show your e-mail or address on the web). Signing the petition takes only a moment and helps remind us all that we share a community together that's larger than any one movement, even if we approve of its aims.
Simon Oct 26, 2011
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Burke If we don't speak up, we are cowards and accomplices. - Judith Hertog It is exhausting, living in a population where people don't speak up if what they witness doesn't directly threaten them. ― David Wojnarowicz If I don't speak up, who else is going to get stabbed? - Carlos Cruz speak up: http://goo.gl/zvQj9
99percentred Oct 26, 2011
A very informative video indeed, Brain. Well researched of course by one of the worlds most outspoken voices against the globalist vision. Since we are exchanging videos, I'll drop one off that gives much of the same information plus a little historical background. It too is around 30 minutes long, but is animated to add a little entertainment value to it. It was produced before the Occupy movement so its focus is on the banking system, and not the future of the seemingly doomed Occupy movement. The American Dream By The Provocateur Network: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU
The Brain Oct 26, 2011
A video worth watching and worth thinking about for the Occupy movement: http://www.prisonplanet.com/david-icke-essential-knowledge-for-a-wall-street-protestor-and-everyone-else.html
scoutgirl Oct 26, 2011
If you don't have a job is there any need to strike?
99percentred Oct 26, 2011
I could be wrong but I think that is all we will get from OccupyOKC from now on. A repetition of their schedule rather than discussion of goals or solutions to the problems that ail us all. They want you to attend so they can solicit your material support while not having to address the issues..... seems to be standard operating procedure anyway.
4 OccupyOKC Oct 26, 2011
Just reposting LOL - before this gets buried by comments ... Here is this weekend's schedule: This Thursday through Sunday 4-6p Music concert series featuring the best local and national touring folk musicians ... Sat 10/29 11:30am-3pm March from Kerr Park to State Capitol coordinated with other Occupy groups in Oklahoma ... Sat 10/29 7pm - Serving as Volunteers to assist with the Oklahoma Gazette Halloween Ghoul's Parade downtown ... Sun 10/30 8pm - Candlelight Vigil to Honor First Responders & War Veterans ... Mon 10/31 6pm - Family Friendly & Safe for Children Halloween Event with Free Candy & other Kid's Activities ... We would love for you & your friends & family to come down and enjoy a wonderful meal with us. And we greatly appreciate any donations or supplies you would like to provide - you can do so here: http://www.occupyokc.com/
99 rising Oct 26, 2011
This site reported that a general strike is scheduled. http://www.legitgov.org/General-Strike-November-28-2011-0 Is OccupyOKC going to participate?
99percentred Oct 26, 2011
I did manage to find the link to a video of the Alan Grayson comments that "Dan" mentioned in the article. "Dan" didn't get the quote exactly right, but he did get the general theme of it, and I agree that it IS something the true 99% can agree on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhrwmJcsfT0
scoutgirl Oct 26, 2011
I agree that the Occupy groups need to figure out what their message is. It appears that is somewhat similar to the Tea Party, which is actually well organized and not worried about offending anyone. I agree with BJ, if the occupy groups want to actually succeed they need to stop having all these committee group meetings and get some leadership and get their message out. I am still unclear as to what the message and goal is. Usually the reason you are protesting comes before the actual protest. I think the horse has gotten in front of the cart here. The 99% only seem to agree on one thing, that they are mad. They also seem to have the idealistic view that they can create a movement that everyone will agree with and not offend anyone. I am all for protesting if there is a point. Please go back to basics Occupy groups-figure out what you are protesting, what you want and then come out fighting together not amongst one another.
99percentred Oct 26, 2011
Brain, I'm glad you understand that this discussion is meant to give the local movement a (second) chance. I agree fully with BJ and would like to see some relevant goals come from this discussion, but one hurdle at a time. It is my understanding that the local group is following the lead of the New York group..... thus no coherent message can be constructed other than the vague grievances stated by the NYCGA. The future of this discussion depends of course on the leaders of OccupyOKC... they may choose to remain silent.
The Brain Oct 26, 2011
This a lively discussion. Just watching it trend over the past day is encouraging to me. The commenters are debating, exchanging ideas and working things out. This Occupy business may just work out after all. If so, the 99% wins!
Simon Oct 26, 2011
If you agree with their overall aims but feel Occupy OKC have violated the community's standards in OKC, feel free to sign the petition asking for an admission of that, and an apology: http://goo.gl/zvQj9
BJ Oct 25, 2011
I am not in OKC and I could be wrong but just from my observations here: (1) You all seem to spend tooooo much time discussing your discussions. (2) It also seems that you all worry way to much about what people are saying or thinking about you. (3) After considering #1 and #2 it also seems to me you all have a difficult time staying focused on anything other than your public image. Why don't you spend time getting your message across to people like me; simple minded, preoccupied with work and bills, and not happy about being ripped off in the process. I would be inclined to support your cause if had a half ass clear understanding on who you are calling "%1" AND (most importantly!) what changes you want to fight for and implement. Tell me what changes you are fighting for. Tell me why I should want the proposed changes. Tell me who the %1 is - name names, give examples - define the enemy. In this order of importance, I need to know what to fight for and who to fight against. Example: End the Fed, Reinstate Executive Order 11110 that was issued by U.S. President John F. Kennedy on June 4, 1963. As for RDR, it is Andrew's one man show, it is his space and he should say what he wants. You are involved in a protest. Protest is a type of conflict. Everybody is not going to like you or agree with you, The conflict is not about you. Don't worry about what Andrew thinks or if he is pretending to be a journalist. If recent history is an example, large scale protest is not far from civil war or civil change. That is the real thing to be concerned with. From what I have seen of your postings on this web page, it does seem that Dan has a point. Quit worrying about defenses and focus on the business at hand and your cause will be better served.
Daniel Oct 25, 2011
Hi. There's some confusion over Dan vs. Daniel - they're too separate people. I'm Daniel. I'm not interested in responding to the instances of personal defamation here. I think when a movement enters the revolutionary phase of naming traitors, denouncing spies, and creating a mythos of being beset by enemies, it is using terror and control as an internal dynamic and external defense. For me to answer it here, directly, as tho those individual attacks need be taken at face value, would be to legitimize them. The Occupy OKC is not a legitimate occupation, due to its creation of an unsafe, unhealthy, harmful environment that uses a list of tactics to remain familiar (such as the ones listed). One could write a litany. It is not an occupation of OKC - it's an occupation of the words and concepts of occupation and the name of occupation. It is not the 99%. And frankly, should the reporter have needed facts or documentation to substantiate anything, there are dozens standing in the wings to provide it who have raised a line of blocks to the current culture there, or have simply left in disgust. Documentation isn't the issue - it's secrecy, which Occupy OKC has no right to, since it has broken faith with the already existing community here, namely OKC, and the peaceable people within it, by becoming unpeaceable. Watch as, after declaring enemies, they villify and condemn their enemies, then complain that they have enemies, then wish to remove from the enemies they created out of that mythos the same opportunity to denounce them. If you have a reasonably sophisticated mind, and any experience whatsoever in the history of revolutions, this is textbook, script, and very familiar and they should be disciplined internally by the state level occupation, or the provisional national congress forming in NYC and made to issue a public apology to all those affected, within and without, or else renounced by the movement bell, book, and candle. A formal grievance has been filed, on behalf of the whole community, and that's where it stands - to be undemocratically ignored, or to be honored appropriately. If it is not, it will be escalated. Occupation movements can oppose the 1%, but they can't declare war on dissent, antagonism on those who dare to depart (the ultimate form of dissent), and villify and defame people whose money and service they freely accepted and who then ask them to simply maintain civility and order, the bare floor on which democracy flourishes. So that's the facts, Jack. If they need to be checked, they most certainly can be. And to the reporter, tho I've never met him, people quote sources all the time. It's not an editorial when they say, "this source says x". He did his job. He raised an issue, the same one which, when raised in assembly inspires violence, vitriol, and villification. You see how they do it to him, you now have a template for how they do it to others within the community who have left over it. Thank you Occupy OKC for illustrating the point. Please, for goodness sake, keep talking.
BethIsbell Oct 25, 2011
Just reposting LOL - before this gets buried by comments ... Here is this weekend's schedule: This Thursday through Sunday 4-6p Music concert series featuring the best local and national touring folk musicians ... Sat 10/29 11:30am-3pm March from Kerr Park to State Capitol coordinated with other Occupy groups in Oklahoma ... Sat 10/29 7pm - Serving as Volunteers to assist with the Oklahoma Gazette Halloween Ghoul's Parade downtown ... Sun 10/30 8pm - Candlelight Vigil to Honor First Responders & War Veterans ... Mon 10/31 6pm - Family Friendly & Safe for Children Halloween Event with Free Candy & other Kid's Activities ... We would love for you & your friends & family to come down and enjoy a wonderful meal with us. And we greatly appreciate any donations or supplies you would like to provide - you can do so here: http://www.occupyokc.com/
JulianaOfThe99 Oct 25, 2011
No attack intended. I included those things in case Andrew reads these comments. I had considered leaving headings like "99percentred:..." and "Andrew:..." but this page eats up the line feeds, so I abandoned that idea. At any rate, thanks for all this. Hope your day is good. :)
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Beth Isbell, it is I who have been trying to assist you. I do not feel I need a rundown on how your organization is structured, led, or represented. OccupyOKC must have offended SOMEBODY or your numbers would be far above the 300 I saw on October 10 by now, they would at least be higher than the 37 in attendance during your GA on 10-22. This is all pretty much public record so while I appreciate your wanting to inform people, it is not my concern. I still suggest that you take my advice into consideration with your fellow "facilitators", this is no longer about IF you offended somebody.... it is about how you are going to change your organizations approach to the community at large so your numbers can grow. Julianna, again I would suggest that attacking the messenger is moot. During the course of today's discussion, all the sources needed to back up the essay were pointed to in your forum. You may not like the method in which it was reported, but the truth HAS been fleshed out and it is time for us all to move forward and stop bickering..... isn't that what got you into this mess in the first place?
JulianaOfThe99 Oct 25, 2011
It breaks my heart that our numbers at the GAs have dwindled like that. I see many reasons. But the movement is not represented only by the GAs. It is also represented, for example, by those who make donations for our care, or just stop by the park to talk with or thank us, or who honk & cheer as they drive by. It is represented by the raised consciousness that we *can* do something about the corruption in our political processes, and that the time to do that "something" is nigh. Like Clay, I am more removed from the organization now, and for similar reasons. I have not been a moderator for a long while now (relative to the life of the movement). In my analysis of this essay, there are 36 paragraphs -- 5 have no source (as none is required); 1 is a correction (source is M. Kehs); 1 is sourced by Daniel's public letter to OccupyOKC; 2 are quotes not related to OccupyOKC; 27 use "Dan" as the only source. The 27 paragraphs that use "Dan" as the only source are the ones that analyze OccupyOKC, and should have been confirmed by other sources -- that is why I call it a single-sourced essay. Paragraphs 9, 16, 17, and 23 contain misinformation beyond misinterpretation. As for my post in the forum, I do stand by that. My suggested tactic was not the one that OccupyOKC adopted. As I did include press releases as one of our options, I hope you can see that my tactic of press silence was about controlling the movement's message, not impeding freedoms or excluding the press altogether. Thank you for caring about the way OccupyOKC turns out. Do you know Andrew? I'd like to see an article about "25 ways we can help OccupyOKC..." or maybe just 10... :) We're all in this together, for better or worse.
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
Boston, I have no issue with you. I appreciate your support - the group has not agreed to have any spokesperson and so I think you got confused when we at first solicited resumes with professional experience in that area. We encourage everyone involved with the movement to share their voice. I hope you do. If you have concerns with something I've done, this is not the forum to air them ... so just find me down at the park & come talk to me, I'm very reasonable and trying very hard to accommodate everyone's concerns and ideas, as are a lot of people. I am only one of three moderators on the Outreach workgroup. Every workgroup has three moderators - who are more facilitators than leaders - come join one. My email is roxybeast@hotmail.com if you wish to speak to me privately. And 99 percentred, same with you, please email me with specifics and I will promise you that I will do what I can to assist you. I am only one person and I do not speak on behalf of the entire group, but I am happy to help. I think you will find that I am very reasonable and responsive. I cannot promise that I will agree with your proposed solutions - for example, I don't believe Occupy OKC has offended anyone. If however, an individual has an issue with another individual in the group, we would hope they would be adult enough to work our their differences maturely. If they need assistance, again I am glad to help. It would help greatly if you would have the courtesy to identify yourself when you email me. Thanks. We are a new organization and a very democratic one at that. If you have ideas on how we can do things better, please write them down & submit them. We have a contact box on our webpage. If something you think should have already been done hasn't, I can assure you that it is likely because Clay or I or the other moderators or persons volunteering their time have had more pressing matters to deal with - both for Occupy OKC and in our jobs, school, and personal lives. If you have a good idea, submit them & remind us as you need to do so. You can also come down & help, even form your own workgroup & find volunteers to get it done - as long as it is not already within the scope of duties being performed by another workgroup - & if it is, you could work as a sub-workgroup for that workgroup to make sure it gets done. We are only human, I have gone many nights in the past two weeks without sleep, as have many others. Please be patient. And better yet, please get involved and help. Thanks.
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Boston, apology accepted. I apologize for using the word "belays" instead of "belies", it does prove however that we are ALL capable of making mistakes. I am not trying to bully you, and I am sorry if you felt bullied by somebody in the past. I am trying to help you reach a mature, responsible solution to your current dilemma is all.....
Boston Gore Oct 25, 2011
I must apologize, I thought you were the Dan/Daniel in the article. I was bullied and verbally abused by him just last evening and the wounds are still a little fresh. Again, my most humble of apologies. I did not mean to sound antagonistic but was possibly being defensive. I am not involved in the infighting in any way, shape, or form. I am just speaking to you from here at the bottom of the 99%, didn't mean to try to draw you 'down'.
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Clay, I assure you that I am not Andrew, and I simply wanted to clarify why I linked to your forum. I didn't miss anything. He made a mistake, and he corrected it. Boston, your antagonistic tone belays your frustration, but I will not be drawn down into your infighting. Look at the post I addressed to Beth, consider what the high road is here. Attacking Andrew, Dan, Daniel, or 99percentred? Or simply admitting that these problems did and do exist, gathering your new policies, and addressing the public with a statement that says how you intend to move forward with new fervor while embracing the diverse population of OKC with truth and transparency. Arguing with me only wastes time.... and aggravates the situation, that is the simple lesson to be learned here.
Clay Oct 25, 2011
I'm sorry, I thought you were Andrew. You say you are not; I believe you. I do apologize. I'm not sure how you read that I have a problem with anyone getting on the forums. I don't have any problem with that at all. :) Still, did you actually read my post? My quarrel IS with Andrew and the lack of journalism integrity on display here. Not sure how you missed that.
Boston Gore Oct 25, 2011
It's shoddy reporting at best... I cannot refer back to anything you said and make sense of it. Nor can I comment for fear of your vulgarities and aggression. I champion Clay, Beth, Juliana. Well said people!
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Clay, I would like to inform you that I am not Andrew. I have linked to your forums, not he. They are after all PUBLIC forums, full of inner topics that are meant to inform and engage the PUBLIC. I have used them to flesh out the truth so your movement can move forward on a more solid foundation. Andrew contacted Chesapeake and posted an update so he corrected the error: (UPDATE: Oct. 24, 2011 7:16 p.m. - Michael Kehs with Chesapeake Energy informed Red Dirt Report this evening that the server in question was not connected to Chesapeake, rather it was based in Houston, Texas. As for the person alleged to be working for Chesapeake, Kehs suggested it could be a pseudonym.) Do not blame the messenger. Clay.... it is not Andrew you quarrel with... it is the future of your own movement.
Clay Oct 25, 2011
A lot of Dan's points I agree with. I don't support the way OccupyOKC is going right now. At all. Infighting is a giant problem. So much so, in fact, that I am near removed from it in all respects. My issue is with you, Andrew. You, and this blog, should relieve yourself any pretense of actual journalism: "And then there is the issue of one Occupy OKC guy who runs the OccupyOKC.com website... Dan even noted that the website is running off Chesapeake’s server. We have called Chesapeake to confirm if that is in fact the case and are awaiting a reply." This information is so simple to discredit via the most elementary due diligence that it calls into question the entire process you adhere to when creating an "article". This reminds me of a Glen Beck-ian level of poisoning the well. "I'm not saying Obama is an illegal immigrant. I'm just asking questions... Obama has yet to respond..." ಠ_ಠ You see, a journalist would have independently verified where the servers sit before even adding that part. I'm exceedingly easy to get in contact with; you've linked to my forums for godsake. You could have asked me to show you evidence. If that's not enough, I can get my 10 year old niece to show you how to do a trace route. Or you know, you could use Google. "Google: Helping hack 'journalists' since 1998®" You think a Fortune 500 corporation uses Hostgator name servers? Seriously? ENTIRELY separated from, and regardless of, your points, you have failed at conforming to even the most minimal guidelines of journalism ethics. You should have taken the points Dan made and determined which were editorial and which were verifiable. There is a difference which relates specifically to how you should present them. Unfortunately, now, you look like a hack. Try these on for size some time. I think your reputation will like the way they fit: http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Boston, your post is admirable in its attempt to deflect this unfortunate circumstance by referring to past protests. I would again ask that; if there was only 2 individuals who felt they had been ostracized, then why did the numbers supporting you dwindle from 300 on Oct. 10 to 30 some now? Read the post I addressed to Beth, I think that maybe it is time to end all these platitudes and face the present situation. Both of you are well written, end your silent treatment of the press and take the path I suggested.
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Beth, I appreciate the fact that you are now taking steps to correct the problems you have recently faced. One would think that these policies you are now implementing would be one of the first things your organization put into place, but it is good that you are recognizing the problems that are keeping your movement from growing or achieving local support. I would suggest that you take the high road, and apologize to anybody who has been offended regardless of who they are rather than attempt to continue defending yourself on this publication. You are spinning your wheels by attempting to address this here instead of doing the right thing and drafting a press release that apologizes for any offense whether real or perceived, against any citizen of the OKC Metro. And then move forward from there.
Boston Gore Oct 25, 2011
A suggestion would be for someone to come to Kerr Park and sit down and listen BEFORE they start running roughshod over the people already there and dedicated. If they expect a flawless body of people they will be sorely disappointed. I champion the differences, we are all there for our own individual reasons and are trying to meld all that is a process. We are also there as a collective in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street. Folks like 'Dan' or 'Daniel' come in and "judge" based on very short term observations. It took 13 years for the civil rights movement to make it's much needed impact and Rosa Parks was not just any passenger on that bus. So these judgments after 4 weeks are quite pre-mature. This article is not a great example of unbiased journalism in my opinion. As for our 'leaders'? We the 99% are the leaders. Some have cooler heads, some have more education, some have more experience, some are quite young, but we all have that one thing in common...We want change. I hope for a better representation for the 99%, and not JUST the 1%, of American's affected by the decisions of our elected officials.
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
99percentred. While we are a new organization, please know that we have formed a grievance workgroup and are working on putting a grievance policy in place. While I can not be sure, due to all of your vagueness, the identity of the person of whom you are referring - but if it is who I think it is - please be assured that I have asked this person to submit written proof supporting their "grievance" and to date have received no response. Once a response is received, it will be appropriately and fairly considered. Thank you for your concern and support. Come have dinner with us, find me, and let's discuss this. Thanks.
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
My apologies, I linked the wrong direction in my previous post. The link to the demand for a public apology is here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/14Hv3sF8WqZJychh2dGIj6-F0uRaVBxH5jRx15EMabw4/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1&pli=1
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
In my discussions with almost involved with Occupy OKC, there is one common bond - that we are all unified in the desire to make our Government more responsive to ordinary citizens instead of just being responsive to those interests - like the wealthy elite, banks, wall street & big corporations - that have the most money. We all would like to see meaningful campaign finance reform and other measures enacted that actually ensure this change occurs. Beyond that, each of us bring our own issues and concerns, and we highly encourage everyone's participation. This is why we do not affiliate with or support any particular political party & welcome anyone to join us regardless of their political affiliation. This includes Republicans and conservatives. I am proud that we have a very wide mix of political ideologies among the regular participants of Occupy OKC. We are unified in our desire to reduce and eliminate the undue influence of money on our political process and to restore the voice of the people. Our cause is your cause. We are the 99%. And if you need to Andrew, you can quote me on that. Peace!
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Beth Isbell, I thank you for acknowledging part of the truth in your post. That is definitely a step in the right direction. The fact the this "Good Neighbor Policy" was implemented on the 22nd of Oct. verifies that your organization was forced to take action to protect the general public from less than civil and illegal behavior by some members of your group. I applaud that effort and only wish that you had taken steps to alleviate the problem beforehand. Again here is the link from your public forum that attempts to address one of the problems: http://forums.occupyokc.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=395 Perhaps it is time for OccupyOKC to put this behind them and do as "Daniel" asks, publicly apologize to him and others who have tried to be a mature, level headed part of your group, as well as apologize to the citizens of OKC. The demand for that public apology can be found here: http://forums.occupyokc.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=395 If you want the support of the citizens of this city, I think they deserve to know you are willing start with a fresh attitude toward them and their families.
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
Andrew - on a personal note - I did ask you to call me after 9pm last night ... I will call you this afternoon or please call me. Thank you. Beth
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
The General Assembly of Occupy OKC has also adopted the following open & fair procedures to govern our workgroups and the conduct of our General Assembly based upon the procedures of the NY General Assembly at Occupy Wall Street: http://www.occupyokc.com/index.php/info/general-assembly-resolutions/270-occupyokc-working-groups-a-ga-process We think that everyone will find them very fair. We strive for 100% consensus for resolutions or motions adopted by the General Assembly, although we do have a procedure for passing some motions by 9/10 vote in the event 100% agreement cannot be reached due to minor dissent. We are working extremely hard to ensure that Kerr Park is a safe, family friendly environment of which the entire OKC community can be proud. We appreciate all of the generous support and donations we have received from the community. We have a list of needed supplies & a "We-Pay" (like PayPal) donation button on the Home Page and Info Page of our website: http://www.occupyokc.com/ Thank you for your generous support. Please come down & have dinner with us at 6pm daily, get involved & share your ideas. We would love to have you!
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
I have personally spoken with every single person camping on the site and almost all of those regularly attending our meetings - and I can personally attest that every single one of them has agreed to abide by the following policy that was officially adopted by our general assembly on Saturday night: 2.1 Occupy OKC Good Neighbor Policy (GNP) OccupyOKC has zero tolerance for drugs or alcohol anywhere in Kerr Park; Zero tolerance for violence or verbal abuse towards anyone; Zero tolerance for abuse of personal or public property. OccupyOKC encourages all participants to respect health and sanitary regulations. OccupyOKC will display signage regarding community relations in Kerr Park, in order to ensure awareness of and respect for our guidelines and Good Neighbor Policy. Approved by a unanimous quorum of the General Assembly of Occupy OKC on Saturday October 22, 2011.
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
Here is this weekend's schedule: This Thursday through Sunday 4-6p Music concert series featuring the best local and national touring folk musicians Sat 10/29 11:30am-3pm March from Kerr Park to State Capitol coordinated with other Occupy groups in Oklahoma Sat 10/29 7pm - Serving as Volunteers to assist with the Oklahoma Gazette Halloween Ghoul's Parade downtown Sun 10/30 8pm - Candlelight Vigil to Honor First Responders & War Veterans Mon 10/31 6pm - Family Friendly & Safe for Children Halloween Event with Free Candy & other Kid's Activities We would love for you & your friends & family to come down and enjoy a wonderful meal with us. And we greatly appreciate any donations or supplies you would like to provide - you can do so here: http://www.occupyokc.com/
Beth Isbell Oct 25, 2011
http://www.oudaily.com/news/2011/oct/25/column-time-right-join-occupy-okc-protests/
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
Assuming you really are (JulianaOfThe99). I expect better than a confrontational statement that is in itself a blatant lie from one of the leaders of OccupyOKC. Anybody who reads the "essay" can tell there is more than a single source. I would think that a leader would produce a reason that the local movement has dwindled from 300 people to 30 without attacking the one who poses the question. I also submit that you are the one who tramples the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights if and when it suits you. Here is the link to show your attitude toward freedom of the press: http://forums.occupyokc.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=262#p1801
JulianaOfThe99 Oct 25, 2011
I expect better than a single-sourced essay that prints false hearsay regarding people, events, union involvement, and even implied conflicts of interest. I also hope everyone realizes what a blatant lie it is that nobody occupying the space in Kerr Park couldn't be reached late Monday afternoon -- there are occupiers there 24/7. Please don't trample the Constitution we all love: free Press means responsible Press.
99percentred Oct 25, 2011
The folks over at OccupyOKC have been doing almost nothing but argue for nearly a month, any time spent in their online forum will show exactly how misleading "99 percenter" is being. Don't believe me, go take a look for yourself. You could start at this link and note the dates if you wish to know whether "Daniel" can be blamed or if he is just a scapegoat. http://forums.occupyokc.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45
99 percenter Oct 25, 2011
This "Daniel" showed up at the Occupy OKC camp in Kerr Park last week and was immediately fingered as an agitator and infiltrator. His job is to divide and conquer the movement by destroying groups from within. He did nothing but stir up discontent, start false rumors about certain organizers, and try to get the group fighting amongst themselves. Thankfully his tactics did not succeed. The occupy OKC group is peaceful, cohesive and strong. We are family, united in our cause with our eyes on the prize. We will not be infiltrated or distracted. We are the 99% and WE ARE ONE!
BJ Oct 24, 2011
Webster Tarp;y had similar observations. http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/07/occupy-wall-street-who-wants-to-hijack-the-movement/
redscout Oct 24, 2011
This is really hard to report on because of the ethereal nature of the movement. There is something there or there appears to be something there . Many want something to be there . I believe that anyone seriously trying to find something to hang on to will be very disappointed.